A Song of Time and Space and Ice and Fire

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whimsylea:

onceuponawhine:

internalized misogyny is a hell of a thing, isn’t it

because. because there are lots of legitimate reasons to not ship CS, like, I get that. i don’t expect everyone to ship the same things as me

but it’s disturbing to me that some of the very people who rail against CS out…

Amen. There’s this very real need to reduce the shippers to misogynistic tropes. We’re vapid teens who only like what’s no good for us, or if we’re not that, we must be desperately unfulfilled, unhappily married soccer moms. Either way, we’re just the stupid kind of woman who’s so enslaved to her underfed vagina that she can’t help but want bad boys. After the speculation about our age & sex lives comes vulgar & repetitive discussion of our genitalia. We only like Hook because he ‘gets us wet’ or Emma’s our self-insert for masturbatory purposes.

And don’t even get me started on the whining about Emma’s supposed ‘savior vagina.’ No CSer claims it’s Emma’s reproductive organs that are responsible for Hook’s redemption; that’s THEIR line, based on completely dismissing & ignoring canon details that show Hook isn’t just looking for sex. Plus, their obsession with the notion that Emma’s vagina is so irritatingly magical is bound up in the false assertion that every available male character that comes along wants her. Beyond actor chemistry & character manipulation, all we’ve actually had is puppy-love Graham, Neal the ex from a DECADE ago, & Hook. I’ve had more guys hit on me in three months than Emma’s had in the entire run of the show.

Thank you for this. It’s incredibly disturbing to see them directing their hatred toward real people (who are always assumed to be women/girls) because of those people’s preference for a fictional relationship. I wonder if they realize how many of their arguments read like they could come straight out of the mouth of a spurned Nice Guy. Yet these people claim to be so concerned about the media’s influence on how women should be treated. Maybe they should look at how they treat their fellow human beings instead.

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rumbellehogwarts:

onceuponawesteros:

rumbellehogwarts:

So you found out “pretty quickly that they would eventually be together.” When did you come to this conclusion? Was it when he was beating and mocking a crippled man? Or was it when he “abducted” that crippled man’s wife and told the man his crew would gang-rape her?
Was it when he was lying under the corpses of the villagers he lived among for months but did nothing to spare them? Or was it when he locked Emma and the princesses up to die? Was it when he tried murdering Emma so he could get to Storybrooke?
Was it when he shoved Emma into a wall to kill Rumple? Or was it when he kidnapped Archie? Was it when he shot an innocent woman in the back - a woman who saved his life just a while before?
Was it when he left a woman to be tortured and killed? Or was it when he help the psychopaths named Greg and Tamara? Was it when he left everyone in the town to perish?
Was it when he saved Charming so he could manipulate a kiss from Emma? Or was it when he was acting like a ten year old because Neal was alive? Was it when he was lying about his relationship with Bae?
Was it when he tried to get Tink to sleep with him? Or was it when he abandoned her family once she was no longer there to impress? Was it when he was stalking her?
I would like to know please, OP. 
Or any CS shipper for that matter. When exactly did you decide that this sociopath was the one for Emma?

Yeah, the OP said that they liked hero and villain pairings so I’m not sure why you are taking issue with their statement. They liked Hook when he was doing those things you listed because for most of them he was a villain doing villainous things. Are we now policing the reasons everyone has for shipping something? I’m not, so I won’t ask you why you think a well-read, smart, and kind young woman belongs with a violent, manipulative wife-killer. I don’t need you to explain why you feel like they belong together because you shouldn’t have to explain to me why you like something. See how that works? Do Snowing and Swanfire and Outlaw Queen fans need to be screened and their reasons found worthy?
Also, some of the things on your list are stretching canon to an incredible degree. “Acting like a ten year old because Neal was alive.” You mean when he did the mature thing and told the truth so they could go rescue Neal? And then there’s the laughable, “saved Charming so he could manipulate a kiss from Emma” argument. Usually when holding a person’s life over someone’s head, you don’t save that person first. Tell me, if Emma felt manipulated into that kiss, wouldn’t she have brought that up at some point later? You know, when she was telling her mother about it and she said she kissed him because she was feeling good. Or later when Neal was being pissy about it she could have said “Oh, it didn’t mean anything. That jerk held my father’s life (which he had already saved) over my head until I kissed him.” She never once stated or even implied through her actions that she felt manipulated into that kiss.

I have nothing against the villain/hero pairing. That’s not at all what I said. I was questioning how she knew they would eventually end up together when Hook was still presented like an asshole. Liking a villain/hero pairing is fine, but what makes that work? Because Emma wouldn’t go for something like that.
I’m not “policing the reasons everyone has for shipping something” and if you thought that’s what I was doing, then you are mistaken. I wasn’t asking why you shipped them. I was asking when you started to ship them. Please read what I wrote before replying. It’ll help us both – it’ll help me keep my patience and it’ll help you stop looking like a fool. 
And again, I’m not “screening” to see if a pair is “worthy.” I’m asking when the shipping began. Read what I actually wrote.
Apparently you don’t remember much of what happened in Neverland. Yes, Hook acted like a child. He eavesdropped on a private conversation (what an asshole, if anyone else did that, the fandom would not appreciate it). He jeopardized the mission at Dark Hollow when he tried taking the lighter from Neal and ended up losing it. So yeah, he was acting like a 10 year old. 
“You’re not out here out of nobility, you’re here for Emma,” Charming says. “You’re never gonna get her, I’ll see to that.”
“Well, then it’s a good thing you’re gonna die,” Hook replies. 
Later on, Emma says thanks. But according to Hook, that is not enough. “Is that all your father’s life is worth to you?” he says has he touches his lips, trying to coax a kiss from her. “A simple thanks.”
That is manipulation. Of course her father’s life is worth so much more than a simple thanks. And Hook capitalized on that to get her to kiss him. Emotional manipulation.
Um, Neal was never pissy about it? He understood. In fact, Emma was the one who was pissy that Hook told Neal. So…get your facts straight. 
Anyways, now that I have said my part, I’m done replying to you. You’re the bitch who attacked me rather than my argument last time, and I’m sure you’re gonna do it again. I have neither the patience nor the time to deal with fools such as yourself.

Good day.

In a couple of hours or a few days you’re going to look back on my responses to you and see that nothing I have said to you during our online discussions over a television show warrants you calling me a bitch. Indeed, there are very few things that ever warrant calling someone you have never met by a derogatory name. Yes, I called an argument you made hypocritical, but I have never personally attacked you as you have just done to me, nor will I do so now. Have a nice day!

rumbellehogwarts:

onceuponawesteros:

rumbellehogwarts:

So you found out “pretty quickly that they would eventually be together.” When did you come to this conclusion? Was it when he was beating and mocking a crippled man? Or was it when he “abducted” that crippled man’s wife and told the man his crew would gang-rape her?

Was it when he was lying under the corpses of the villagers he lived among for months but did nothing to spare them? Or was it when he locked Emma and the princesses up to die? Was it when he tried murdering Emma so he could get to Storybrooke?

Was it when he shoved Emma into a wall to kill Rumple? Or was it when he kidnapped Archie? Was it when he shot an innocent woman in the back - a woman who saved his life just a while before?

Was it when he left a woman to be tortured and killed? Or was it when he help the psychopaths named Greg and Tamara? Was it when he left everyone in the town to perish?

Was it when he saved Charming so he could manipulate a kiss from Emma? Or was it when he was acting like a ten year old because Neal was alive? Was it when he was lying about his relationship with Bae?

Was it when he tried to get Tink to sleep with him? Or was it when he abandoned her family once she was no longer there to impress? Was it when he was stalking her?

I would like to know please, OP.

Or any CS shipper for that matter. When exactly did you decide that this sociopath was the one for Emma?

Yeah, the OP said that they liked hero and villain pairings so I’m not sure why you are taking issue with their statement. They liked Hook when he was doing those things you listed because for most of them he was a villain doing villainous things. Are we now policing the reasons everyone has for shipping something? I’m not, so I won’t ask you why you think a well-read, smart, and kind young woman belongs with a violent, manipulative wife-killer. I don’t need you to explain why you feel like they belong together because you shouldn’t have to explain to me why you like something. See how that works? Do Snowing and Swanfire and Outlaw Queen fans need to be screened and their reasons found worthy?

Also, some of the things on your list are stretching canon to an incredible degree. “Acting like a ten year old because Neal was alive.” You mean when he did the mature thing and told the truth so they could go rescue Neal? And then there’s the laughable, “saved Charming so he could manipulate a kiss from Emma” argument. Usually when holding a person’s life over someone’s head, you don’t save that person first. Tell me, if Emma felt manipulated into that kiss, wouldn’t she have brought that up at some point later? You know, when she was telling her mother about it and she said she kissed him because she was feeling good. Or later when Neal was being pissy about it she could have said “Oh, it didn’t mean anything. That jerk held my father’s life (which he had already saved) over my head until I kissed him.” She never once stated or even implied through her actions that she felt manipulated into that kiss.

I have nothing against the villain/hero pairing. That’s not at all what I said. I was questioning how she knew they would eventually end up together when Hook was still presented like an asshole. Liking a villain/hero pairing is fine, but what makes that work? Because Emma wouldn’t go for something like that.

I’m not “policing the reasons everyone has for shipping something” and if you thought that’s what I was doing, then you are mistaken. I wasn’t asking why you shipped them. I was asking when you started to ship them. Please read what I wrote before replying. It’ll help us both – it’ll help me keep my patience and it’ll help you stop looking like a fool.

And again, I’m not “screening” to see if a pair is “worthy.” I’m asking when the shipping began. Read what I actually wrote.

Apparently you don’t remember much of what happened in Neverland. Yes, Hook acted like a child. He eavesdropped on a private conversation (what an asshole, if anyone else did that, the fandom would not appreciate it). He jeopardized the mission at Dark Hollow when he tried taking the lighter from Neal and ended up losing it. So yeah, he was acting like a 10 year old.

“You’re not out here out of nobility, you’re here for Emma,” Charming says. “You’re never gonna get her, I’ll see to that.”

“Well, then it’s a good thing you’re gonna die,” Hook replies.

Later on, Emma says thanks. But according to Hook, that is not enough. “Is that all your father’s life is worth to you?” he says has he touches his lips, trying to coax a kiss from her. “A simple thanks.”

That is manipulation. Of course her father’s life is worth so much more than a simple thanks. And Hook capitalized on that to get her to kiss him. Emotional manipulation.

Um, Neal was never pissy about it? He understood. In fact, Emma was the one who was pissy that Hook told Neal. So…get your facts straight.

Anyways, now that I have said my part, I’m done replying to you. You’re the bitch who attacked me rather than my argument last time, and I’m sure you’re gonna do it again. I have neither the patience nor the time to deal with fools such as yourself.

Good day.

In a couple of hours or a few days you’re going to look back on my responses to you and see that nothing I have said to you during our online discussions over a television show warrants you calling me a bitch. Indeed, there are very few things that ever warrant calling someone you have never met by a derogatory name. Yes, I called an argument you made hypocritical, but I have never personally attacked you as you have just done to me, nor will I do so now. Have a nice day!

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rumbellehogwarts:

So you found out “pretty quickly that they would eventually be together.” When did you come to this conclusion? Was it when he was beating and mocking a crippled man? Or was it when he “abducted” that crippled man’s wife and told the man his crew would gang-rape her?
Was it when he was lying under the corpses of the villagers he lived among for months but did nothing to spare them? Or was it when he locked Emma and the princesses up to die? Was it when he tried murdering Emma so he could get to Storybrooke?
Was it when he shoved Emma into a wall to kill Rumple? Or was it when he kidnapped Archie? Was it when he shot an innocent woman in the back - a woman who saved his life just a while before?
Was it when he left a woman to be tortured and killed? Or was it when he help the psychopaths named Greg and Tamara? Was it when he left everyone in the town to perish?
Was it when he saved Charming so he could manipulate a kiss from Emma? Or was it when he was acting like a ten year old because Neal was alive? Was it when he was lying about his relationship with Bae?
Was it when he tried to get Tink to sleep with him? Or was it when he abandoned her family once she was no longer there to impress? Was it when he was stalking her?
I would like to know please, OP. 
Or any CS shipper for that matter. When exactly did you decide that this sociopath was the one for Emma?

Yeah, the OP said that they liked hero and villain pairings so I’m not sure why you are taking issue with their statement. They liked Hook when he was doing those things you listed because for most of them he was a villain doing villainous things. Are we now policing the reasons everyone has for shipping something? I’m not, so I won’t ask you why you think a well-read, smart, and kind young woman belongs with a violent, manipulative wife-killer. I don’t need you to explain why you feel like they belong together because you shouldn’t have to explain to me why you like something. See how that works? Do Snowing and Swanfire and Outlaw Queen fans need to be screened and their reasons found worthy?
Also, some of the things on your list are stretching canon to an incredible degree. “Acting like a ten year old because Neal was alive.” You mean when he did the mature thing and told the truth so they could go rescue Neal? And then there’s the laughable, “saved Charming so he could manipulate a kiss from Emma” argument. Usually when holding a person’s life over someone’s head, you don’t save that person first. Tell me, if Emma felt manipulated into that kiss, wouldn’t she have brought that up at some point later? You know, when she was telling her mother about it and she said she kissed him because she was feeling good. Or later when Neal was being pissy about it she could have said “Oh, it didn’t mean anything. That jerk held my father’s life (which he had already saved) over my head until I kissed him.” She never once stated or even implied through her actions that she felt manipulated into that kiss.

rumbellehogwarts:

So you found out “pretty quickly that they would eventually be together.” When did you come to this conclusion? Was it when he was beating and mocking a crippled man? Or was it when he “abducted” that crippled man’s wife and told the man his crew would gang-rape her?

Was it when he was lying under the corpses of the villagers he lived among for months but did nothing to spare them? Or was it when he locked Emma and the princesses up to die? Was it when he tried murdering Emma so he could get to Storybrooke?

Was it when he shoved Emma into a wall to kill Rumple? Or was it when he kidnapped Archie? Was it when he shot an innocent woman in the back - a woman who saved his life just a while before?

Was it when he left a woman to be tortured and killed? Or was it when he help the psychopaths named Greg and Tamara? Was it when he left everyone in the town to perish?

Was it when he saved Charming so he could manipulate a kiss from Emma? Or was it when he was acting like a ten year old because Neal was alive? Was it when he was lying about his relationship with Bae?

Was it when he tried to get Tink to sleep with him? Or was it when he abandoned her family once she was no longer there to impress? Was it when he was stalking her?

I would like to know please, OP. 

Or any CS shipper for that matter. When exactly did you decide that this sociopath was the one for Emma?

Yeah, the OP said that they liked hero and villain pairings so I’m not sure why you are taking issue with their statement. They liked Hook when he was doing those things you listed because for most of them he was a villain doing villainous things. Are we now policing the reasons everyone has for shipping something? I’m not, so I won’t ask you why you think a well-read, smart, and kind young woman belongs with a violent, manipulative wife-killer. I don’t need you to explain why you feel like they belong together because you shouldn’t have to explain to me why you like something. See how that works? Do Snowing and Swanfire and Outlaw Queen fans need to be screened and their reasons found worthy?

Also, some of the things on your list are stretching canon to an incredible degree. “Acting like a ten year old because Neal was alive.” You mean when he did the mature thing and told the truth so they could go rescue Neal? And then there’s the laughable, “saved Charming so he could manipulate a kiss from Emma” argument. Usually when holding a person’s life over someone’s head, you don’t save that person first. Tell me, if Emma felt manipulated into that kiss, wouldn’t she have brought that up at some point later? You know, when she was telling her mother about it and she said she kissed him because she was feeling good. Or later when Neal was being pissy about it she could have said “Oh, it didn’t mean anything. That jerk held my father’s life (which he had already saved) over my head until I kissed him.” She never once stated or even implied through her actions that she felt manipulated into that kiss.

(Source: confessuponatime)

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Yeah, let’s have an adolescent boy slut shame and shun his mom and the grandmother he never met for their romantic choices. How fun! If the book did show what happened to Milah (it doesn’t; Henry says in Season One that he can’t figure out who Gold is, meaning Rumple’s origin story is not in the book), what Henry would see is that while Milah and Hook made some careless choices, they were both punished for them, and only one person respected his grandmother enough to be upset when she was brutally murdered.

Yeah, let’s have an adolescent boy slut shame and shun his mom and the grandmother he never met for their romantic choices. How fun! If the book did show what happened to Milah (it doesn’t; Henry says in Season One that he can’t figure out who Gold is, meaning Rumple’s origin story is not in the book), what Henry would see is that while Milah and Hook made some careless choices, they were both punished for them, and only one person respected his grandmother enough to be upset when she was brutally murdered.

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